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3/3/2019 7:59 AM
 

the G45 is a very nice feeling gun...better than the previous 19/23 series, for me personally. It shoots like a Glock...incredibly reliable and more accurate than one can shoot. The handle will prevent it from being a good hot weather canceled EDC but in cool temps it’s a non issue. This doesn’t bother me since I only carry for woods defense while backpacking and bow hunting. Loaded with Underwood Xtreme penetrators and Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman ammo it makes a fine choice for such a task. 

 

 
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3/4/2019 3:42 PM
 

I simply "don't get it" when it comes to this gun.  IMO, they got it bassackwards.  Take a G17 and cut the grip down to take G19 mags?  Now yer talkin', same OAL/size as a Commander with and Officer's grip length.

 
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3/5/2019 6:54 AM
 
TAK, that makes no sense either. Take a gun with already horrible ergos and chop the grip? Yeesh.
 
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3/5/2019 8:11 AM
 
I’ve been a fan of the 19/23 for years but the grip never really felt great to me. The half inch extra barrel length of the 17 made a noticible negative difference when inside the pants but next to no functional difference in velocity and sight radius. So for me, grip feels fantastic, I get two more rounds and the functionality is all Glock.
 
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3/5/2019 12:37 PM
 
El Mac wrote:
TAK, that makes no sense either. Take a gun with already horrible ergos and chop the grip? Yeesh.
 
Three of my Glocks have 1911 grip angles.  A little epoxy and a sander is all it takes.  I'm about to do the others soon.  That epoxy doesn't stipple like the plastic so you need to skim coat it and sprinkle aluminum oxide on it after you shape the grip.  You won't hear me tout "Glock Perfection", but they do tend to go bang, sometimes even when they shouldn't.

 

 
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3/5/2019 2:01 PM
 
Accidental discharges are always user error / carelessness in Glocks.

Why go through all that trouble sanding and applying epoxy to a Glock just to get a 1911 grip angle - just buy an M&P!
 
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3/5/2019 2:39 PM
 
chriscscs wrote:
Accidental discharges are always user error / carelessness in Glocks.
 
 
I beg to differ, I've seen clothing get caught in a holster and had a G17 go bang right by my left leg.  Shooter was a "Tier One" level instructor, combat vet, 18yrs in SF.  Glocks have gone bang hours after they were holstered, from a pull toggle on a jacket pulling the trigger when someone reached up for something on a shelf

Why go through all that trouble sanding and applying epoxy to a Glock just to get a 1911 grip angle - just buy an M&P!
 
 
I have an M&P9L, nice gun, it ain't got a 1911 grip angle either.  I'm going to epoxy it as well.

 

 
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3/5/2019 2:40 PM
 
In all fairness, M&Ps haven't quite built the same reputation for reliability as Glocks. That being said, they are the modern double stack pistol with ergos most like a 1911 which is why I carry one. And the 2.0s seem to have addressed any and all reliability issues and also the trigger issues of gen 1. Buy one, change the sights for nicer (although you don't have to because they come with plenty good metal sights), and drive on.

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3/5/2019 2:40 PM
 
chriscscs wrote:
I’ve been a fan of the 19/23 for years but the grip never really felt great to me. The half inch extra barrel length of the 17 made a noticible negative difference when inside the pants but next to no functional difference in velocity and sight radius. So for me, grip feels fantastic, I get two more rounds and the functionality is all Glock.
 
If you can hide it, go for it.  I've heard others rave about the 19x's grip.  Not everyone's hands are the same.

 

 
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3/5/2019 5:22 PM
 
That sounds like carelessness to me! I mean really, who holsters a gun and doesn’t notice for hours that a jacket toggle is caught in it until it goes off, rofl! If someone is that careless then it could happen with any sidearm. Not just Glocks.
 
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3/5/2019 8:11 PM
 
chriscscs wrote:
That sounds like carelessness to me! I mean really, who holsters a gun and doesn’t notice for hours that a jacket toggle is caught in it until it goes off, rofl! If someone is that careless then it could happen with any sidearm. Not just Glocks.
 
Actually no, it couldn't happen if the gun had a manual safety or a grip safety.  Poo poo it if you want but sh!t happens, and it only has to happen once to screw you

 

 
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3/5/2019 8:58 PM
 
It’s still carelessness. Good point about the grip safety.
 
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3/5/2019 9:01 PM
 

I’m pretty heavily invested in Glocks but I don’t think they are anywhere near as safe as a condition one 1911.

I like a thumb safety on a gun I’m going to carry 24/7 in field conditions.  

It is nice to stick the gun, ready to go in your boot as you crawl into your sleeping bag.  With a Glock it needs to stay in a rigid holster or kit bag with a Zachaeus. Then to draw you have to use two hands or tie the Zach or kit bag to something solid in the tent.

 
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3/6/2019 5:58 AM
 
I started this thread by saying that I, personally, really like the G45. It’s my bowhunting companion. I usually don’t carry a round in the chamber unless I feel the need to such as walking through the woods in the early morning darkness on the way to my stand.

All of my holster draw training is done by drawing, chambering a round, firing. I’m pretty quick with it and for the most part don’t feel disadvanged. However, in the woods at night with a bow in one hand, I do feel better with a round chambered. I use a guides choice chest holster.
 
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3/24/2019 8:22 AM
 
I have the G45. Fits great in my kit bag, I have a bucket of G17 mags. This gun works well for me. But I also like my 43X.
 
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7/20/2019 11:23 AM
 
I do, totally, “get” the G19x/G45. Getting old helped me to see a need for such a pistol. The shorter slide/barrel clears leather/Kydex just a bit sooner, which is wonderful for my aging, formerly-“strong-side” right shoulder. Yes, with an IWB holster, or a high-riding OWB holster, every fraction of an inch counts.

As for concealability, I defaulted to right hip carry, long ago, whether in police uniform, where it is the standard location, as well as during occasional plain-clothed assignments, and off the clock. I can conceal a G17/G19x at 0300, as effectively as a G19, because the blocky, protruding Glock slide is what pokes against my clothing. The full-cut garments needed to truly conceal the Glock slide will also effectively conceal the G17-length grip. The chief reason for me to use a G19, from a concealment standpoint, is that I like to use a Safepacker, from The Wilderness, and it takes a much larger Safepacker to carry a G19x/G17, than a G19.

My hands are not wide, but I have long palms. I have long appreciated a grip frame that extends all the way to my hand’s “heel” bone. All of my skinny fingers comfortably fit onto a G19, but the grip stops short of the “heel” of my hand, which results in less stability. My accuracy potential is simply better, with a full-length grip, and, I have noticed, my skill is much less-perishable with a G17-length grip.

Then, with age, in 2017, at age 56, firing two 50-rounds quals, with two of my G19 pistols, resulted in a swollen hand/wrist. The pain and swelling persisted for a week. I let the hand heal, for a couple of weeks, and fired my full-sized 1911 pistols, and a G17, 50 rounds each. No new pain, and no swelling. I am neither doctor nor credentialed scientist, but was a serious-enough informal student of kinesiology to be able to understand that the rear of a pistol’s grip frame, being in firm contact with the heel of the hand, causes less trauma to my wrist joint, than a pistol of equal power, with a grip frame that terminates before reaching the hard heel at the extreme corner of my hand.

I can mitigate the effects of recoil, to a degree, by hanging a weapon-mounted light on the accessory rail, but that is a work-around, and it is the rare work-around that is as good as a true fix. The full-length grip frame is that true fix.

Notably, at age fifty, in 2011, the .40 Smith & Wesson cartridge had become my right hand’s nemesis, the .40 Snap & Whip. I might well have retired, by the end of 2015, had my chief not OK’ed 9mm as an alternative duty cartridge, and then later re-OK’ed my ability to carry a 1911 duty pistol. I worked until early 2018, when other factors prompted me to go ahead and retire. One of my retirement gifts, for myself, was a G19x.

*To be clear, I do not blame .40 S&W for being the root cause of my right thumb/wrist/hand issues. I fired a few too many .44 and .41 Mag rounds, from N-Frames, with my K/L-sized hands, in the Eighties. By the time I admitted to myself that I needed to use weapons that I could fire without an ergonomically-compromised grasp, the cumulative damage had been done. (Thankfully, even though I am left-handed, I am right-armed, and functionally ambidextrous with DA handguns, and had chosen to carry “primary” on the right hip, so my more-skilled hand was spared the pounding that my right hand took. I trained lefty, too, but more with small/medium-caliber ammo, fired from weapons that fit me properly.)
 
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7/20/2019 11:36 AM
 
Regarding grip angles and ergonomics, I started handgunning with a 1911, with a flat MSH, which established that weapon as my baseline for pointability. Generation One and Two Glocks do not point well in my hands. Gen3 Glocks were an improvement, in pointability, but still, not the best ergonomics. It was the Gen4 Glocks that were the first to be a good fit, and my Glocks are Gen4 and the G19x, which is Gen5-ish, if not true Gen5. In spite of the differing grip angles, I find the 1911, with flat MSH, and Gen4/5 Glocks to be good fits, and “natural” pointers.

I have never found an ambidextrous 1911 safety that I truly like, and being a natural lefty, I have tended to shoot Glocks more consistently with my left hand, so, in effect, each weapon system has its ideal place, for me, which does not, of course, mean that I carry a 1911 on my right hip, and a Glock on my left hip, but, the tiny G42 has become my default “Rule One” and back-up gun, and, realistically, in retirement, I am largely reverting to revolvers for most “primary” carry, anyway.
 
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