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11/14/2011 2:36 PM
 

With Multicam the leading color choice for the bike frame bag, and according to the newsletter a MC Tarahumara is on the way in the next few months...I am wondering what others thoughts are on HPG stocking Multicam gear?

Is this preferred over other color options? or does it draw too much attention? I know a lot of guys who use MC pattern packs (and love it) for hunting and they could careless what people think when they see them, but I am considering it as well. I certainly do not want to go to a state park and have rangers think I am some military nut, or poaching game illegally which is my concern. I especially do not want to draw attention to my chest kit bag where my SA 1911 is riding. Am I being too paranoid or something?

What is your take on it?

 

 
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11/14/2011 11:00 PM
 

I see no reason for there to be any issue for HPG to stock Multi-cam gear. It comes down to the needs of the user. If there is a market for it, then why not?

Having said that, I do appreciate where you are coming from. I went through Calgary International Airport about a month ago. I was travelling on the Friday of a long weekend, so the terminal was packed. Despite that, my eyes immediately zeroed in on the Multi-cam Kifaru pack some guy was wearing.

If you are looking to draw less attention to yourself, then Multi-cam isn't the route I would go. Go with one of the solid colors HPG offers that perhaps blends best with the rest of your kit.

For those that prefer it, or it works for them in their area of operation, I say go for it.

 
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11/14/2011 11:02 PM
 

ooops...double tap!

 
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11/15/2011 8:58 AM
 

If there is a big enough market for a given product in multicam, of course we'll carry it. We've always thought that making either of the Kit Bags in multicam just didn't make sense because the whole point is a low profile way to carry a gun. We have thought about making a "tactical" KB in multicam with a row of PALS on the front. Not sure how popular that would be.

As far as the more general question of whether you want to carry a multicam product, I'm torn. I'm faced with this right now. I haven't claimed a production Tarahumara for myself yet, and I'm debating over which color to get. The Tara is probably the pack I'm most likely to carry in an urban environment like on a vacation or something. That says foliage to me. My favorite outdoor color is ranger green, and it still doesn't stick out too much in an urban environment (I think). That's the color of my KB. So there's the arguments for that. Multicam, particularly with the multicam webbing, is just going to be a hella cool looking pack, and it really is a great camo pattern. So there's the argument for that. However, if I had a MC Tara, I'd probably still want a solid color Tara because I wouldn't really want to use MC for things like hiking in a semi-urban park (like when I'm visiting the in-laws for Thanksgiving).

I haven't decided yet myself.


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12/23/2011 2:35 PM
 

I live in a smallish city, about 30K people surrounded by farming/wooded land. MC certainly sticks out. Public attention is something I've learned to consider seriously, like the particular technical functionalities of the pack's construction. So if not getting stopped, again (a few years ago walking in the middle of the night w/black Max Falcon 2), is as important to me as the fit or volume I'll go w/Coyote when the matching shoulder harnesses becomes available again. 

If by urban you mean city, and barring anything covered w/MOLLE, the simple truth is that any flat black backpack looks like any other. Add a hoodie and you could be anyone, and thus become no one. If it ever becomes financially attractive to produce the Tara & harness in black I'd be interested in buying another Tara, though I understand there probably isn't a huge call for that for the backcountry.

 
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12/24/2011 8:34 AM
 

Excellent conversation. 

I appreciate the following insights.
+1 “I especially do not want to draw attention to my chest kit bag where my SA 1911 is riding.”, JSonn
+1  “If you are looking to draw less attention to yourself, then Multi-cam isn't the route I would go. Go with one of the solid colors HPG offers that perhaps blends best with the rest of your kit.” The Judge
+1  “We've always thought that making either of the Kit Bags in multicam just didn't make sense because the whole point is a low profile way to carry a gun.”, evenhill
+1 “Public attention is something I've learned to consider seriously, like the particular technical functionalities of the pack's construction.” csparks
+2  “… the simple truth is that any flat black backpack looks like any other. Add a hoodie and you could be anyone, and thus become no one.”   csparks
I see several elements in the conversation. First is, “What is it for?”
Regarding the HPG KB, here’s my list(all pretty much equal, and mutually supporting):
a.      Support my ability to defend myself, as much of the time as possible, during as many of my activities as possible . 
b.      Support a means to defend myself when I am wearing a pack with a waist belt, and can not use a conventional belt holster.
c.       Provide a consistent carry arrangement(and presentation), so my trained habits work when I find myself in a tough spot that I have been unsuccessful in avoiding.
d.      Do all of the above while drawing as little attention as possible(gray man, any one, no one?).
For me, the HPG KB meets my needs in ways no other product does. As HPG offers more variety in colors, I’ll consider those colors to match my situation(s), all the while maintaining a consistent carry arrangement(see a – d above).
The Tara/Highlander may meet my needs regarding scalable transport of my “possibles”, especially in a more urban setting. And, I need to improve all my load carrying capability in an urban setting.
Second, the role of the market. 
In addition to current HPG offerings, here's my input for the market - functional blending in the city/urban setting. 
For my needs, that would be HPG stuff in black(see csparks' insights above, "...no one.").
Here's why I like the approach HPG is taking in the market.
The HPG business model(quality goods, excellent customer care, field driven functionality, lots of user input, affordable, durable, well supported, leading edge, scalable, sustainable growth(without wrecking the financial condition of the principals), etc) appears to be responsive to their market. Their selection continues to grow. Their product selection and mix appear to meet the needs of a segment of the market.
I have come to appreciate the role of markets in connecting end user needs with products and services. Voluntary coordination between user and producer, as a foundation of our country, has served me well.
I appreciate how HPG conducts its business in the market.  With enough experessed interest, I suspect HPG will be responsive.
I look forward to hearing from other contributors.
 
And, of course, the best of the holidays to you all.
 
edit to respect the OP's original focus, and add that I am interested in a multi cam KB as well(hunting).
 
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12/24/2011 9:26 AM
 

I'm pretty much a non-camo sort of guy and agree that if you are anywhere near town -- including the front range trails I frequent -- a camo chest pack is going to draw attention. However, for hunters in the back woods I don't see how it would draw any more attention than any other piece of camo gear. Multi-cam isn't typical hunting camo but if pieces of your kit are that way, I just don't see it being a real give away. So... I think Evan is on to something for the HPG bottom line. Guys might want a camo chest pack or pack for the hinterlands but still need a solid color for use in more populated areas. Sounds like a great way to expand your market with existing customers. Sorry, I'm not one of them as I think foliage will blend in just fine.

 
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12/24/2011 9:34 AM
 

I like multi-cam. More importantly I like ranger green, which is a better outdoor color than foliage and lower profile than MC. However, none of my personal gear is in either color. Except for a shoulder harness here and there on prototype stuff. I have choosen to stay with foliage simply because most of my use is on the edge of the urban interface and I want to be as low key as possible while still having a good outdoor color. That is why I don't run RG. To me MC stands out way to much, but than again I would say that about any camo. However, if I was ever to have a dedicated back country set of gear I might choose MC.

A good friend recently made a comment that has been rattling around in my head. As a little background, this guy is MR. GREY as he is the person who blends in anywhere better than anyone I know. I first meet him in a class, and even though he had the nicest rifle present and was clearly the top shooter it still took a couple of days to notice this fact because he blends in so well. Anyway his comment was bascially to much of one color starts looking like a uniform. So I will be adding some RG at some point probably as we get more gear in our line.

One interesting thing we have experienced is in the form of sales. Whenever we do color questions Coyote is the top choice or MC when it was included. MC was such a clear choice, almost 4 to 1 over the other colors with the bicycle frame bag that we had more of them made than RG. However, sales has been 3 to 1 RG to MC. That is the same experience we have with coyote. People request it but sales don't reflect it being more popular. I will be very interested to see how the MC tara's sell, but for now MC and coyote are a distant second choice behind RG and foliage, which both sell at about the same rate.


Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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12/24/2011 10:54 AM
 

"too much of one color starts looking like a uniform"

 

For a long time I had trouble finding technical clothing in suitably subtle colors. Now that military gear has caught up to civilian stuff, it's much easier to find, BUT I think you really do run the risk of starting to look "dressed out" if you go all out with your favorite tacticalish color. Through no grand design, I've ended up with a wide variety of gear and clothing including OD, foliage, dark olive, alpha green, dark brown, light brown and gray. Some, such as the HPG and Kifaru gear is vaguely military looking but mixed in with REI clothing of various states of drabness, I think i just manage to look drab with no fashion sense rather than dressed for a mission. Truth in advertising though as I am just drab and without fashion sense and generally not on any sort of mission.

 
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12/24/2011 11:04 AM
 

CCH, throw that purple TNF coat into the mix and you'll have nothing to worry about!


We are fortunate in this matter that your conduct will be your marker and, thus, your reputation. The conduct of others on this forum has been, and will continue to be, their marker, and thus, their reputation. In the west, a person invests in one's reputation carefully. - 112Papa
 
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12/24/2011 11:54 AM
 

Yeah, but if I'm wearing it with the bi-colored Tarahumara, I'll start to look in "uniform" again. Perhaps a different sort of uniform that sends a different sort of message, but a uniform nonetheless.

 
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12/26/2011 1:39 PM
 

I am looking forward to the MC Tara release and will surely pick one up. I am hoping the multicam sells well and they add more products using MC. Since it could be aimed towards Kifaru and Mystery Ranch owners to use as add-on's to their packs. Also hoping some military applications look at it for hydration carrier on their battle vests.

A lot of people have a love hate relationship with multicam, I know I do. I shouldn't like it based on the comments made above, but it has a certain cool factor and is really a beautiful pattern that blends into a lot of environments. I have noticed psychologically, when I wear camo when hunting I feel smarter, faster, stronger and more in tune with my environment- and dawn a hunter's mentality more so than wearing civi colors.

 
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12/27/2011 10:51 AM
 

Interesting observation on how clothing can affect mindset. That is something that I experience with weapons that I have customized to my own liking.


We are fortunate in this matter that your conduct will be your marker and, thus, your reputation. The conduct of others on this forum has been, and will continue to be, their marker, and thus, their reputation. In the west, a person invests in one's reputation carefully. - 112Papa
 
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1/11/2012 4:19 PM
 

any news on the MC Tara's?

 
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1/11/2012 4:42 PM
 

should be taking pre-orders on them tomorrow.


We are fortunate in this matter that your conduct will be your marker and, thus, your reputation. The conduct of others on this forum has been, and will continue to be, their marker, and thus, their reputation. In the west, a person invests in one's reputation carefully. - 112Papa
 
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1/14/2012 9:44 AM
 

We are fortunate in this matter that your conduct will be your marker and, thus, your reputation. The conduct of others on this forum has been, and will continue to be, their marker, and thus, their reputation. In the west, a person invests in one's reputation carefully. - 112Papa
 
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1/25/2012 10:45 AM
 

multicam Tarahumaras are in stock, and we also have multicam Kit Bags in the works, as well as a new product that we'll announce on FB today.


We are fortunate in this matter that your conduct will be your marker and, thus, your reputation. The conduct of others on this forum has been, and will continue to be, their marker, and thus, their reputation. In the west, a person invests in one's reputation carefully. - 112Papa
 
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1/25/2012 7:53 PM
 

the Recon Kit Bag in Multicam looks really slick guys- paired with First Spear pouches the capability and different configurations is very appealing

 
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