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HomeHomeDiscussionsDiscussionsGeneralGeneralTent Opinions?Tent Opinions?
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2/1/2020 3:57 AM

This post may not be for this forum but...I am curious what tent  anyone on here has used for backpacking, hunting, or camping. Has anyone tried any tents from bearpaw wilderness designs, and or could compare them to seekoutside? I am looking for a light weight 2-3 person tent that could actually hold 2-3 people or 2 and some gear but be light enough to hike with. Being from the northeast hunting and camping are quite a bit different than the CO area but you guys out there seem to have it nailed down so...Anyway, I am trimming down my hunting, camping & backpacking gear. I will be using an HPG Kit bag, Tarahumara, & UTE to make this all modular and possible, and wanted some opinions or options. Thanks in advance.

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2/1/2020 8:57 PM
This will be an interesting thread.
Much of my camping has been in dry Montana weather. That means I have skipped the weight of a tent and gone with a Goretex Bivvy cover.

That will keep me dry, but it leaves my pack and rifle in the elements, unless I cover them with a light tarp.

I have been looking at some floorless and detached floor shelters. I think that offers a good balance of light weight and shelter.
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2/5/2020 10:43 AM
In general the purpose of carrying a shelter is to be able to get myself and gear out of the weather. I have, and probably will again, left my pack outside the shelter if I needed to, but for the most part I am going to need or want the vast majority of the stuff in the pack handy in the tent. If that is the case, the added "volume" of an empty pack in the shelter isn't going to add that much to things. That is why I have never really warmed up to bivy bags. Sure my sleeping system may be out of the weather, but what about all the rest of my stuff, and me when I am not in the bivy. You can add a tarp to put over your stuff and your bivy, but by then you are probably at more weight than a shelter. I have also used a tarp a lot stand alone, and if you learn various pitches it can be pretty dang weather proof, but you still have the ability of wind to blow in precipe and coldness. If I have a shelter I want to be dry and out of the wind.

For many years if weight was going to be a factor I have used floorless shelters from black diamond, golite, seekoutside, and kifaru, as well as prototypes from HPG. They can be divided into the tipi style with a center pole, and a dome style with poles around the exterior. The tipi style are lighter, but you have to get a good pitch with solid stake placement, which can be tricky in some soils and weather conditions. On the other hand the dome styles are heavier, but are less reliant on staking and I think they are also a bit more weather proof due to better structure. These days I tend to prefer the dome style a bit more, but my go to lightweight shelter is still a Seekoutside LBO with Annex. However, that is largely due to the foot entry of the Golite Utopia, which I just don't care for, at all.

One downside to single wall shelters, which most floorless shelters are is that they can have issues with condensation/ice and ventilation if bugs are an issue. A fully closed up tipi can get down right hot through solar gain if the door is closed, and being "rained" on every time you brush the side of the shelter during inclement weather can also get old. You can add something like a nest to a floorless shelter to combat both of those issues, but now you are adding weight to the equation.

I guess what I think of as kind of an ideal one person shelter is a Utopia with side entry and a bit of overhand over that entry to keep weather out of a vented window. I haven't really looked at shelters in years since what I have is working for me, so maybe someone makes something like that. I don't know.

As far as capacity, I automatically cut the listed person rating in half to account for gear. So a 2 person is one person with gear, a 4 persons is two people plus gear, etc...

I hope that helps.

Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
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2/5/2020 4:43 PM
Thank you sir yes this helps a lot. The Seek Outside LBO is #1 on my shortlist. Close is the silver tip and Cimmaron. The slightly smaller footprint of the Silver Tip would make it better for the Appalachian Trail, but for most of my applications the LBO or even the Cimmaron would fit the bill... I went bigger when I decided on the UTE and don't regret it. (Even though I could have easily gotten away with the Umlindi & my Tarahumara.) I'm glad to have the extra room at the expense of a bit more weight. (I've never been a gram counter but more concerned about compactness and efficiency). I will say when I did my first section of the AT my rule of thumb was, 8oz or more cuts were worth an extra expense. Later that number went down to a 3-4oz rule of thumb. When my pack was quickly at 40+ lbs. Lol. I used a Bear Paw Wilderness designs tarp for that particular trip as well as others and over my hammock. John does nice work and added all the extra loops and ties I wanted at a fair price. I am a bit older now and enjoy a bit more shelter from the wind and rain. So like you said the tarp can be pitched a lot of ways but at the end of the day the wind always seems to get through. Anyway I may go bigger with the LBO or even the Cimarron and just cut some weight else wear. It will fit in with my new years resolution to minimize. Thanks again!
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5/28/2020 7:13 AM
Anyone have an experience in this shelter?
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6/22/2020 12:25 PM
I found these tents by accident when asking about gaiters. They have floorless shelters but know nothing of them.
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6/24/2021 3:16 PM
Here’s another tent I found.
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7/22/2021 4:35 PM

New guy here, but I have the Seek Cimarron in DCF and I gotta say it is awesome.  Many posts are true it does get a bit of condensation in it, but you can help by venting the top of the door and pitching it high so air can come in under the snow skirt.  I run a LBO nest and carbon fiber center pole and throw a sheet of tyvek under the nest.  I did get the stove jack which weighs a bit more, but if you get rid of the stove jack and go DCF you are likely right at or just over 1 lb.  With no nest easily sleep 2 + gear.  As the number of bodies increases so does condensation.  

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9/24/2021 12:54 PM

Zpacks Triplex; 21.9 ounces

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9/28/2021 7:21 AM

One drawback to unmarried wall shelters, which maximum floorless shelters are is they will have troubles with condensation/ice and air flow if insects are an issue. A completely closed up tipi can get down proper warm via sun benefit if the door is closed, and being "rained" on each time you sweep the facet of the refuge for the duration of inclement climate also can get old. You can upload some thing like a nest to a floorless refuge to fight each of these troubles, however now you're including weight to the equation

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