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10/29/2012 9:34 AM
 

The only 7.62 AR maker I could recommend is LaRue.  Period.

Old school batte rifle, FAL

New school BR, SCAR (if you can stomach it).

But if you want a gun that can do both Battle and Snipe, one needs to begin and end one's search with LaRue.  Or you cold opt to waste your time and then come back to LaRue.

 
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10/29/2012 9:50 AM
 

Is the PredatAR just a lightweight version of the obr?  Why the big price difference between the two? 

(sorry for the basic question - still coming up the learning curve here)

 
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10/29/2012 10:17 AM
 

TAK, Frankly I get a bit confused with mil vs civ nomenclature as they apply to generations of stuff, and as previously stated I am positive you  have way more insite into the M110 than I do. I was referring to the EMC versions of the KAC rifle as having a good rep, but in reality it doesn't really matter as they are absurdly priced and the Larue is not. As far as the LMT not fitting milspec triggers that is news to me. I know that they used to have a good reputation. Or is the trigger not milspec?  What irons where on the Noveske? I know at one point troy was what they recommended, and I have never had any issues with the several sets of troys that I have.  What it comes down to is that everyone manufacture, EVERYONE, will have a lemon or friday afternoon product. It happens not matter how hard you try for it not to. Yup Colt is consistently a good choice. You do know they make an AR 308?

El Mac - what are the issues that one may not stomach with the SCAR? Sounds like you also have issues with the LMT?

Westy - The OBR is a precision rifle and has features (20moa built in rail, heavier smooth forend, etc...) that are directly applicable to that use, which is where the price difference comes from I think.


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10/29/2012 10:22 AM
 

Westy wrote
 

Is the PredatAR just a lightweight version of the obr?  Why the big price difference between the two? 

(sorry for the basic question - still coming up the learning curve here)

 

Yes.  The PredatAR is the light weight version....a better compromise and the one I would recommend is the PredatOBR.  Essentially, it is the PredatAR 'frame' built around the OBR's barrel.  You will love it.  It can do it all from CQB to sniping.  And it makes the SCAR look sick.  They are money however...so skip a Starbucks and save your pennies.  With LaRue, you get your money's worth.

 
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10/29/2012 10:29 AM
 

 Cool, thanks guys.  I had missed the PredatOBR altogether.  

 

Mark

 
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10/29/2012 10:41 AM
 

Scott,

The LMT to me feels like an AR that desperately needs to go on a diet.  It removes one of the best aspects of ARs, that of 'handling'.  It is much heavier than it needs to be - for no real reason that I can find.  It is a Rosie O'donnell of ARs.

Whereas the FAL is also built like a tank, its proportioned correctly and is 'svelt' in both handling and portability despite it being slightly heavier than more 'modern' species (but not by much).  It is the Raquel Welch of battle rifles...stout, porportioned very well and 'sexy' if a rifle can be called that.

The SCAR....I don't care for its restrictive hand positioning on the forearm.  I don't care for its height over bore sighing radius either.  It feels 'clubby' to me.  But it is a workman rifle and if it was the only option for a semi 7.62, I'd live with it.  But 'for me' there are better options.  Perhaps in time, as the SCAR 'develops' and more and more aftermarket stuff come on line for it, it will be more liveable.  But for someone growing up with the AR, its just awkward.

 
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10/29/2012 10:46 AM
 

I think that is perhaps the most concise description of those rifles I have heard. I think you nailed it with all three. Thank you.

I agree the FAL is amazingly svelte for what it is, perhaps the most svelte of them, which is my biggest criteria.  To bad that in my experience accuracy is just not there for more precision oriented tasks.


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10/29/2012 3:34 PM
 

The LMT lower I have came from LMT with a RR-type NM trigger, install from the factory.  I'll measure the OD of the pins.  The Noveske upper had sights with white lettering on them that reads NOVESKE, and they are not Troys as I know what those look like as I own a couple of sets of those.  I'm not attempting to bash either company (not so with Knight) and would buy a product from either, if the price was right.  My whole point is buyer beware with all of 'em.  They all have QC issues.  A dedicated AR nut should learn to build his own upper, IMO.  Buy your lower preassemble if you like, replace the GI trigger and keep the GI for a spare, but build your own upper.  It ain't that difficult, and if you do have issues, buy the time you get it all sorted out, you'll know a bunch about AR's.

 
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10/29/2012 6:09 PM
 

El Mac wrote

The SCAR....I don't care for its restrictive hand positioning on the forearm.  I don't care for its height over bore sighing radius either.  It feels 'clubby' to me.  But it is a workman rifle and if it was the only option for a semi 7.62, I'd live with it.  But 'for me' there are better options.  Perhaps in time, as the SCAR 'develops' and more and more aftermarket stuff come on line for it, it will be more liveable.  But for someone growing up with the AR, its just awkward.

 

Worried about the fixed charging handle?  Then run it AK style on the strong side.  A rail extension (available now) and a Magpull AFF2 would also do nicely to reposition your hand.  The basic black SCAR 17 I just took possesion of tonite doesn't feel "clubby" at all, but that's just me.

 
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11/17/2012 9:26 AM
 

TAK it been awhile, how about a review of the SCARH


Co-Owner Hill People Gear "If anything goes wrong it will be a fight to the end, if your training is good enough, survival is there; if not nature claims its foreit." - Dougal Haston
 
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11/20/2012 7:52 PM
 

This will be a quick update as I'm still travelin'.  

1) Ergs are awesome, IMO, very AR like, so no retrain to speak of is necessary for most.  Many object to the reciprocating charging handle but I've had no issues YET  If you can't deal with it support side you can always run it AK style on the strong side.

2) Iron sights are awesome, not what you want to win at Camp Perry but a good shooter wouldn't be ebarrassed.  The folding front uses an AR front post and is also windage adjustable.  This allows the windage knob on the rear to be used for doping wind.  Rear is graduated (100, 200,300,400,500,600) for elevation.  Haven't had time to do anything with them but zero at a 100yd

3) Accuracy is about 2moa with M118LR.  Not sure about the barrel twist but I don't think it likes heavy bullets as it shoots M80 ball (147gr nearly as well).  Having said that, I went five for five on a 12x17 chest gong at 400yd with a 1-4x scope (Burris XTR)

4) Reliability has been 100%.  My ONE mag works great.  That is another issue as the military is scarfing up SCAR 17's still  Wholesale price on the mags is $28 but most have stocks allocated to large vendors so the scalping continues.

5)  Trigger will make you cuss.  Geisselle ($400)  and Timney ($250)have remedies.  I've heard  AR Gold has something in the works.

Verdict?  KEEPER but I yearn for slightly better accuracy.  Hopefully nosler BTs or Bergers will help

 
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12/27/2012 1:27 PM
 

I have been looking for a .308 semi for some time now but, like The Judge mentioned earlier in the thread, AR type platforms are restricted up here and draw a lot of unnecessary attention.  To that end I have been leaning towards an M14, probably not a real mccoy as I want to put rails and a bipod on it and hate to see good walnut ruined for that.  I know they are heavy but I don't mind that, it is my get out of trouble long gun so weight will not be an issue for me.  I do like the idea of a Browning BAR (although I am not a Browning fan) the concept is good and that style of rifle will be less consipicuous (that is why I also am getting a Winchester 30-30).

Has anyone used one / has one to recommend with some accompanying furniture?  I am very familiar with assault rifles (having used our version of the M16A2 and M4 for most of the last 23 years) but do not want that type of rifle as I do not want to draw attention.

Thanks for any info.

 
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12/27/2012 3:24 PM
 

Craig, if I lived in Canada I don't think I'd even bother with a gas gun.  Some sort of scout rifle would be my choice.  The Ruger, a Steyr, or one built on a mauser.  I think the Hills will agree that it is amazing what an effective rate of accurate fire a man can lay down with such a rifle.  If and when the world really goes to crap, I think that, for the most part, you guys will just read about it.  I don't believe that will be the case in the US, especially for anyone who resides near any urban, multi-ethnic area.

 
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12/27/2012 4:44 PM
 

TAK - thanks for that mate.  I have a Win M70, a Lee Enfield and the Win 1894 30-30 (on order) so don't feel too exposed but I like the idea of making sure I am ready if necessary.  Like you say, Messrs Hill also like the idea of the non-black guns and that recent thread about the average Joe's alternate assault rifle got me to thinking.

As for your second statement, I sadly have to agree that the kind of disasters that may affect some of you chaps down South is more likely than up here - but rest assured up here in Alberta, we will gladly help you out.

 
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12/30/2012 12:54 PM
 

Take-a-Knee - As way of a follow up, I have just checked out the Ruger Scout and really like it.  Thanks.

 
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12/31/2012 9:43 AM
 

 Craig,

I was wondering if selection of a replacement for the No.4 Enfield for use by Canadian Rangers had gone any farther?  The Ruger Scout Rifle was mentioned one of the competitors, but all those articles are almost a year old now.  canadiandefence.com/canadian-ranger-rifle/   www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc   As I understand all the bidders backed off because they did not want to release their tech data packages to have Colt Canada produce the rifles, so the whole thing had been in limbo for the last year.  Any updates?

 
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12/31/2012 2:49 PM
 

ke4sky - You are actually better informed than I on this matter, mate.  I do not have any mates with the rangers just now and their small arms requirements chaps are not in with the Infantry small arms chaps.  I last heard (last February) when on exercise in the sub-Arctic that RGS and a Tikka (or Sako not sure now) were the man competitors.  Now, except for the definite need to be a .308 / 7.62, I am in the dark.  However, I am back to work next week and can have an update in the next two weeks or so.

Craig

 

 
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1/14/2013 9:26 PM
 

Craig Robertson wrote
 

I have been looking for a .308 semi for some time now but, like The Judge mentioned earlier in the thread, AR type platforms are restricted up here and draw a lot of unnecessary attention.  To that end I have been leaning towards an M14, probably not a real mccoy as I want to put rails and a bipod on it and hate to see good walnut ruined for that.  I know they are heavy but I don't mind that, it is my get out of trouble long gun so weight will not be an issue for me.  I do like the idea of a Browning BAR (although I am not a Browning fan) the concept is good and that style of rifle will be less consipicuous (that is why I also am getting a Winchester 30-30).

Has anyone used one / has one to recommend with some accompanying furniture?  I am very familiar with assault rifles (having used our version of the M16A2 and M4 for most of the last 23 years) but do not want that type of rifle as I do not want to draw attention.

Thanks for any info.

I've gone down the M14 road again....for the 3rd time. I bought a Norinco M14 shorty with some light mods. I got it in my hands and sold it without firing a shot. Great gun, but not going to work for me for a semi-auto GP rifle. Too big and too heavy for my personal needs. I am leaning more towards staying with lever actions for the time being. I do have one pump action that I am working with as well. Semi-autos are off the list, I just can't see anything that works for me at the moment.

 
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1/16/2013 8:48 AM
 

The Judge - I am still up in the air about it myself.  The M14 was for range work and the holy crap rifle.  My Win lever 30-30 is great for most everything under 300m and my Win Mag .300 is good for everthing past that.  If I go for a semi it will be the M14 but there are so many other bits of gear that are on the list ahead of that one.

ke4sky - As for the .303 replacement for the Northern Rangers, not yet decided.  It will definitely be .308 and iron sights and the Ruger Scout is still the front runner.

 
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1/18/2013 7:29 AM
 

I didn't see or hear about anything new at Shot this week.


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